Episode 3: The Beatles Part 1 - The Pre-Peppers Years

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Hello and welcome to Middle Aged Dad Record Club. I'm Ash.

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I'm Matthew.

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And we are recording live from Ngunnawal Land except not live, we're heavily edited. Thank God. And we're back for another episode. What have we got on the show today, Matt?

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We've got a top 12, the biggest of big top twelves, the Beatles. Yeah. The Fab Four.

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Yay. We've made a

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sensible call though to split the beetles Mhmm. And go... I think my original idea was to go the red and the blue. I think you further refine that, by by pre peppers and post peppers.

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Before we get started, because we've got a lot of segments to get through, including a new one at the end, which has a very camera theme. But before we get started, we had a bit of feedback and fan mail.

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Do you

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want to go through that?

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Yeah. Got some good feedback on episode two. Think good, all good. Bit of contention over a hot take on Jeff Buckley, which we might revisit when we have another list of five today.

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To be clear though, listeners, we are a unity ticket on this. So any heat for Matthew is heat for me because we are both

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on that.

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Thank you, Ash. I appreciate that.

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Because the internet came for me a little bit.

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Yeah. I know you couldn't even leave your house.

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I couldn't. I couldn't.

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All the all the the the tens of listeners out

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there Yeah.

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Just barking.

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But I did receive something interesting actually, which I think is probably to your point around getting Internet attention. Spotify, did did email me. One, they called us creators, which I was happy about, but, celebrating 200 listens.

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Oh, that's so nice.

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But on that, actually, I received an interesting, email from a Seamus County Down Yeah. Okay. Down Patrick in Ireland. And

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It sounds really real.

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It seems that you threw a bit of noise and potential legal issues around the band Ash and whether they took the name from you or you took the name from them. Now look, long story short, exchange of legal letters. I've agreed via Tim Wheeler that we will do an Ash special soon on their thirtieth anniversary of nineteen seventy seven to get us out of that legal bother.

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Yeah. Look, I mean, I know that I'm no longer allowed to enter The Republic Of Ireland, but I'm hopeful that if we do that pod, that'll really fix that up.

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Yeah. So I hosed it down.

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Thanks for that.

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That's alright.

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I got a I got a really interesting mail.

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Yeah.

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I think it was addressed... Well, it was addressed to you, but I don't know what came through to me, but, I'll read it out. Hi, Matthew. Big fan of the pod. I just wanted to let you know that whenever I'm alone with you, you make me feel like I'm home again.

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And whenever I'm alone with you, you make me feel like I'm whole again. With all my love, your mate from Thailand. So that's a nice note from one of our listeners.

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I'm not surprised he came to you Ash, but that's nice to hear. It's a special moment.

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It is special relationship but sincerely we do appreciate any feedback. And if you're looking for our track lists or any of the extra show notes and stuff, have that on the website. So we'll put that link in and I use Apple Music, that's just the platform that I use and Mathiono use Spotify. Spotify, yeah. So we've got our playlists on those.

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But yeah, look, if there's anything else you think would be interesting, let us know. And you know, if you've got any longing love letters that you want to send either one of us, we're also open to that too. Please do. All right. Well enough sillies.

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Why don't we get on with the show? So the first thing we're gonna do is our usual what's spinning and what's coming up. So Matthew, what is spinning on Netflix? So

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bit of a segue from last week, I've been doing a deep dive on all things badly drawn boy. Listeners would remember that. That was probably one of my bigger fumbles, not including About a Boy, my movie soundtrack. So as an ode to the great man, Damon Goff, bit of Badly Drawn Boy going on.

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Mhmm.

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I was actually thinking given the other significant event this week, I really felt like not including About a Boy was like doing a top five, getting to number two, thinking the job's pretty much done, call... Calling for wharfie time, and then just fumbling from there. And so I've been really

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interested I wondered if you'd try to sneak that in.

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Yeah. But I've been... It was a good lesson for me in this podcast, lock in on the research. That's gonna haunt me that one. But other than that, I'm really listening to quite a bit of Morrissey this week.

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Oh, interesting.

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Yeah, so it came up on Shuffle a

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couple Where do you of start with Morrissey versus the Smiths? Because honestly I haven't really gotten into his solo stuff mostly because I don't really like the guy. I love the Smiths and probably I love Johnny Ma, but I never got into Morrissey solo. If I wanted to start there, where would I start?

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Look, without wanting to sound basic, I'd start with the greatest hits. Because there's about, I would say about four or five absolute classics, thinking last of the international famous Playboys, Suede Head, Every Day is Like Sunday. So there's a cup... Couple of the early solo albums are probably the way to go. The first two or three sort of drops off.

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He's quite prolific, really.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, certainly the greatest hits run through. Think the one released in about sort of '97 or '98 is your gateway. Very Smithy

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really. But I agree. I think Morrissey can be a polarizing character, especially these days. Yeah. Okay.

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Cool. And what are you looking forward to? What's coming up?

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So coming up, and I was hoping this had come in the mail yesterday actually. Won't surprise you to know, Ash, that I'm deep into some Wonder Stuff fan pages and and interact with a lot of the fans around the world. And what came up a couple of weeks ago was a pristine set of their fanzines from back in the nineties. I've been looking to get those for a while. They come with a couple of fan club only issued seven inches.

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So it was supposed to come in the post yesterday, but I know that's been delayed. So I'm really looking forward to that coming through because there's not a lot of Internet history on these fanzines. So it'll be new interviews, new little bits of information to add to the Yeah.

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I like that.

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Memory bank. So really looking forward to that. But other than that, also had a massive witness week in terms of live shows coming up.

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What have

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you got? Listeners won't be able to see this, but I've actually, I've got a photo that I'm gonna pass to Ash Dow for him to digest. Noble HQ had quite quite the exciting evening, the other evening.

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No way. Yes way. Really? Yes way. Okay.

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Well, you're gonna have to explain it to listeners because they can't see.

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They can't see it. So we were lucky enough, the the four of us, my family, to secure four tickets in July next year to Oasis Live twenty seven in Munich. Amazing. They were hard to come by those tickets.

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Is that at the Bayern Munich It is. Stadium? That stadium is amazing.

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Allianz Arena. It's amazing stadium.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, wife and I saw Bayern Munich play Borussia Dortmund in the German Cup, and it was Yeah. Epic.

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Nice. But it's also a beautiful stadium.

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Beautiful stadium. So, yeah, now we've just gotta get there. So my daughters are actually

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Are you about to do a GoFundMe? Is that what you're about to launch right now? You've read my mind.

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I've got it set up already. Help a little guy and his family to Germany.

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To Germany for a while.

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And and the trip is actually... It's gonna happen in one form or another, a bit of a euro summer next year, but my daughters are also deep in and registered and in the ballot for Glastonbury tickets that go on sale tomorrow night. So they're hoping to go to that, and, you know, we'll we'll tack on the Oasis. Amazing. Know.

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Our trip. I know.

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I'm very jealous. That's cool. I know. Well, that is definitely something to be looking forward to

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Yeah. Coming I'm really looking forward to that.

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Awesome. Well, me, what's been spinning is two things. The first, as I had mentioned probably now in every single episode, Beck's new album Ride Lonesome. I finally got my sweaty little hands on it and the verdict's in amazing. It is so good.

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I've been playing it on the record player. I've been playing it in my car. I just, I can't put it down. I really love it. So we confirmed it definitely is like SeaChange 2.0.

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So I think Morning Phase, which is the other one in between the two, which is sort of seen as the happier, less depressing version of SeaChange That sort of seen as a trilogy I've seen in some of the kind of write ups. I think I sort of see SeaChange and Ride Lonesome as sort of two pieces. His voice has aged so well. I just, I can't be more of a fanboy of this album. He's a

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cool guy, isn't he?

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Yeah. It's really good. And it's one of those albums where it's a full listen. There are good songs in it. There's...

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And similar to Sea Change, there's a little bit of variance in Okay. Sort of... The thing I don't like about Sea Change, and maybe we'll go into this at some point, is the second song on the first side, Paper Tigers. It's so jarring from the first and then, like, the other songs. And I always, like, think, oh god.

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I wish they'd put that further down the album so I can just have that whole vibe. Yep. But then I've, like, I don't know. I've sort of changed my mind on that. And there's a similar thing in this one where it's like, it's sort of, it just sort of moves, but this one's a lot more of a complete journey.

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So Ride Lonesome, the single certainly still-

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That's lived up.

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It's great. Other hot tracks that I would strongly recommend people get into, especially if you're not a big fan is it ends right here. There's a huge sort of drone and synth bit in it, just is really powerful. Reminds me a lot of, in Neil Young's harvest when he gets the big sort of orchestral kind of bits in there and swells around a real emotional song. So I love that.

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But my favorite track out of the whole album is If You Don't Know What Love Is. It's so good. Sounds good. I love it when a thing comes together and your expectations are met and surpassed.

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Yeah, nice. And I think we haven't come to a final decision, have we? But he's special guest at a stroke show in Sydney and a one off.

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I'm hoping that he'll do his sideshows. Not because I don't love the strokes, I do. I'm just not a big fan of The New Album and I don't love auto tune. I don't know what Julian Casablanca is thinking, whether random access memories and his little bit with Daft Punk turned robot. Anyway, yeah.

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I'm on the I'm on the fence.

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It's a big show they're doing in Sydney, so I think we can we can have a think. I saw the Arctic Monkeys at Centennial Park

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Oh, yeah.

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Couple of years back. It was a beautiful venue to see a band. Summer's night. So Yeah. Cool.

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Yeah. Anyway, ride lonesome, get on it, and then excuse the weird sort of cover with the sheer curtain. I don't know what he's It's very weird. Yeah. Right.

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Yeah. Is he behind it?

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Yeah. It's actually pretty cool because on the back he's disappeared. Spooky back. Yeah. So lots of meaning.

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The other thing I've been listening to and it connects to an up and coming is, I'm gonna call it modern jazz. Don't know if you know, do you know Dommy and JD Beck? No. Ah, okay. So they're dynamic duo.

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She's the keyboard player, he's the drummer and they do a lot of collaborations. So a few years ago they did an album and it's called Not Tight and that's what's been spinning because I haven't yet been able to get their new album, which is Who Asked.

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They're Australian?

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No, no, no, no, no. He's American and she is, I don't know, I think European or maybe she's American. I don't know. Anyway, they do a lot of collabs on Not Tight. It's a really good album.

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It's an easy listen, but it's really fun. He's got this like amazing drum style. It's like, it's all over the shop and it's kind of really, it's a real vibe. I think if you, it's a bit of an obscure listen, but if you like it, you'll really like it. But certainly the big collabs they do are with Thundercat.

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Do you know Thundercat? So, I mean, I love Thundercat, so I'm gonna always enjoy this, but yeah, it's just something And a bit like, I like putting it on in the morning when my daughter and I are having breakfast and it's just like a nice thing to put on. That's what's been spinning. That's the thing I'm looking forward to is the new album, which has just either just come out or about to come out. And so I'm gonna get on top of

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that.

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Nice. Yeah, and then I think beyond that in terms of the broader what's coming up, you flagged it before, but yeah, we're fast approaching Ash's thirtieth anniversary for 1977. So we will definitely do that episode both for legal reasons. Obviously for Seamus, Wherever he's from. Yeah.

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And it'll

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give me a chance to actually tell you a story of how I bumped into Tim Wheeler in a bar

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in Bangkok. You told me that story.

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Have I told

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you that story? Yeah. That's a good story. You told me it and I was blown away, but listeners haven't heard that story and it needs to be known it's amazing. That was one of our first conversations about Ash, I think.

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Because I was like, Oh yeah, I'm a big Ash fan. You're like, Oh really? Hear

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this. Because I one up you,

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that's hard to come back to You one up me in a way that no one could ever be one upped again. That's a great story. So we'll look forward to that one. Actually that's my big coming up is hearing that story again. So I love that.

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We wouldn't be a middle aged dad record if we didn't tell each other stories.

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Or just the middle aged dad club as you referred to it on a previous take.

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We did have to edit that one out. It got a bit spicy listeners. So, but yeah, no one wants to hear the middle aged dad club podcast. That's a

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sad one. If it all goes wrong for us here, we might need to do just a middle aged dad.

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Yeah. Yeah. There was some hot takes on men's health and the family court system. I think there's a reason that we cut that edit out. So we probably shouldn't keep going.

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No. Okay, all right. We're getting back on track because we are absolutely drifting. So I think the next segment we're gonna go to is our homework. Oh God, exciting.

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Yeah, record club homework. So the time is now, did you wanna go through and report to the class on your homework Ms.

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MacKay. I've got to say, I'll not try and rattle through this too quickly because I am excited about your Wonder Stuff feedback and not to put pressure on you. I do think one of my toxic traits about the Wonder Stuff are that anyone who listens to them will love them, which is obviously not true, but just not putting pressure on. Yeah. That's a

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lot of

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pressure. So Smashing Pumpkins, I'm gonna go through track by track.

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Oh my God.

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And have words on each song. And not only that, I actually took the option of doing the five CD deluxe version. So any thoughts of this podcast being, you know, an hour

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Yeah. This is a five hour edition.

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On people. I think I I timed my, five CD deluxe, smashing pumpkins melancholy rundown to be about hundred and forty two minutes. Oh my god. But look, I might keep that for another day. So I'll

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just Oh, thank god.

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But look, what it does This

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is can't see Matthew's face, but he kept the real straight face and I was really nervous.

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What it does say though is I just tip my hat to smashing pumpkins. I love the ambition. I love the I love the sheer, you know, bombast of of the vision.

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Mhmm.

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And clearly, broadly, there's some editing moments there. But I really like songwriters who have a self belief and they're gonna challenge the listener and they're gonna go off in different directions.

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So just for clarity, we're talking about melancholy and the infinite sabbath.

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Sorry. Yes. Melancholy, I went straight. I'm not talking about the full back catalog. So my sort of smashing pumpkins moments, I think, are those more sort of woozy Corgan numbers.

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So from Siamese Dream, like the Soma and Luna and Rhinoceros Rhinoceros from Gish and those sorts of songs. Absolutely love those. So that that was my natural bent and the melancholy. Mhmm. I know there's all the big rock moments.

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Mhmm.

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I've gotta say probably the big rock moments, they're the ones that leave me a little, you know, they're kind of for the MTV generation, feel like. Interesting. You know? It's that sort of, you know,

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despite of my rage, all of that.

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You know, that's probably what didn't hook me in in the in the nineties, those sort of overtly rock moments. But having said all of that, there are some some blime moments on this album. I think I got a bit of a head of head of the podcast, Ash, with a spoiler. I absolutely love 33.

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Mhmm.

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What a tune. I don't know why that's that one's passed me by because that is in my wheelhouse. Absolutely beautiful song. I must've listened to that about 10 times this week. And that run of 33 in the

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arms of sleep in 1979,

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I mean, that's up there. It is. With any three track run. And I know the popular view is melancholy with some editing, those three would have to be there. Then I was sort of thinking, even your muzzles and other songs like that.

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It would still be a pretty long album, but I enjoyed it. I just I just like the breadth of it and the ambition of it. And I actually enjoyed the run through of it three or four times straight through end to end. And each time I liked it a bit more.

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So what's your grade? What grade do you give it?

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I give it a solid b to b plus. Okay. That's good. I probably take a point off or two around a couple of a couple of moments that are jarring for me, like Tales of a Scorched Earth. Yeah.

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Tales of a Scorched Soul.

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Much like our podcasts, it does drift a little bit.

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It does, it does.

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It could be tighter. I am a strong believer in the, you could... Like it was built around this kind of the old days of these big double albums, right? Like, you know, white album and things like that. I think I get it.

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And I love the whole kind of thematic elements of the, what is it? Twilight to dusk. But gosh, there's amazing. The top, the first six to seven songs are all fire. And I love the rockier ones, I also love the more mellow ones as well.

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So I think people sleep on it, but I also don't think it's very accessible because of its weight.

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That's right. It is weighty and maybe a conversation for another day, but has anyone really nailed a double album? And I know we can talk about the gold album, the wall, some of those ones, but what what double album demands it to be a double album? Oh, that's a really

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good point. Hey. And look, just off the top of my head, even though I love the White Album, and we'll get to that when we get to Beatles part two whenever we record that. But that

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a bit.

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I love that album. But, yeah, even for the Beatles, they didn't do it.

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I know what you're thinking. You to cut the Ringo tracks, don't you?

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I would. I think maybe that's my problem is that I can't accept. I think unless it's a concept album, I'm not going to really follow the journey. And also I think it's just changing that many records. It's just gives me the...

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Know the shits.

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For vinyls sometimes. But... Yeah. No. Look.

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Summing up. Loved it. Yeah. Actually, I've circled muzzle here. I really like muzzle.

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Oh, interesting.

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Yeah. I like that one. Yeah. My favorite Smashing Pumpkins track ever Mhmm. And a song that I love

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Can I guess it?

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Back to.

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Yeah. Mayonnaise.

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Mayonnaise. Yeah. What a track.

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It is amazing.

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So that's my that's my Smashing Pumpkins benchmark. And I know I sort of said I don't like the more rockest, Smashing Pumpkins. That's sweet spot pumpkins for me.

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That's my barometer for Smashing Pumpkins fans. So as you know, and, we... I talk about them a lot, with you. I'm a huge Smashing Pumpkins fan. They're they're up there in my, Mount Rushmore favorite bands.

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I can see why. And that's my barometer test. What's your favorite Smashing Mungus? And people that come back with mayonnaise. Really?

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I'm like, yep.

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Have I mentioned that before or was that just up In to

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our first ever meeting when we had our historic car ride with Uncle Tony and Lids, we got onto mayonnaise and that was when

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I was like, And you thought this cat knows.

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This guy, we're going to do long, long podcast Yeah,

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yeah, yeah. No, no, it's absolutely brilliant. And yeah, look, I just think Billy Corkins, we've got to have more of those characters in the music.

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He's problematic in a way though, in some parts, like he's a very... Yeah. Anyway, let's save it because we're gonna definitely do a Smashing Pumpkins Pod. That. So we'll save that.

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That's great. That's really interesting. A really good take on that album. And interesting that you kinda came out... I thought you would come out not a fan, to be honest.

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No. Look. One thing I would say, and this is the... Not a criticism, but the songwriting's so good for the most part. Yep.

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I do sometimes drift and think if this was sung by someone with a... Maybe his voice sometimes doesn't, you know, do the songs justice. And I know that's probably sacrilege for a Pumpkins fan vibe.

[00:24:49] - [Speaker 0]
But also, here's a fun kind of alternate universe theory. Imagine if Chris Cornell led the Smashing Broken's. I love his voice. I reckon it's probably my favorite out of that grunge era. But like something like different there, how much of a different vibe that would be.

[00:25:07] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Anyway. Alright.

[00:25:08] - [Speaker 1]
Lots more say on them.

[00:25:09] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. We'll we'll keep we'll keep moving on. So, my homework, was Never Loved Elvis, from the Wonder Stuff, Little Band. You might have heard of them. Oh, yeah.

[00:25:20] - [Speaker 0]
Haven't heard.

[00:25:20] - [Speaker 1]
Cracking Little Band. Yeah. Yeah. Mentioned them.

[00:25:23] - [Speaker 0]
Matt, Matthew is currently wearing a Wonder Stuff shirt, for listeners that, can't see. Yeah. So this is the 9091 release. I listened to the remastered version. Get stuck in, give it to me.

[00:25:39] - [Speaker 0]
Okay. I did four full listens. I think I would say what struck me was curiosity. How is this band your kind of fulcrum or sort of keystone? Like how does someone, and I know a lot of your music tastes, how does this fit?

[00:26:08] - [Speaker 0]
And I think as I kind of listened to the album, I was most curious, it was almost like a, I don't know, like a psychology examination of your music tastes to say, how does this fit in with it? And then I kind of, probably it was about like second or third listen through, I realized it's got elements of everything that you love. It's got the weird bits of Radiohead. It's got the Oasis, it's got the blur, it's got a lot of different parts. It's got that kind of Britishness about it.

[00:26:44] - [Speaker 0]
I think the mission drive, the first one with all the shites, which was very British. And I then appreciated it a lot more. Songs that grabbed me, and I think they're probably singles or you'll be able to tell me, but I really liked the size of the cow. I think that's my favorite. I really like sleep alone actually.

[00:27:13] - [Speaker 0]
Else? And then... Oh, the weird thing was that false start that freaked me out because I was like, oh, oh gosh, my thing skipped. Then I looked at it, it was like a forty five seconds off. So that was funny.

[00:27:27] - [Speaker 0]
Welcome to the cheap cheap seats. I didn't really love. And know that isn't that their that's their big single?

[00:27:34] - [Speaker 1]
It's a big song off it. Size of a Cow is the big top five UK sort of that's in the British canon of sort of top 100 British kind of singles.

[00:27:44] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Okay. And look, so I think my general take was they're not a band for me, but I kind of really appreciate it. The things I really like about it, the drumming is amazing. It is forceful.

[00:28:04] - [Speaker 0]
And I love good drumming like that. And it's probably actually one of the reasons I love Pumpkin so much.

[00:28:12] - [Speaker 1]
Mark Gilts.

[00:28:13] - [Speaker 0]
I'm just going to say it, that fiddle's got to go.

[00:28:16] - [Speaker 1]
No, don't like it. Too much.

[00:28:19] - [Speaker 0]
If that was not there, I think I'd be a huge fan.

[00:28:22] - [Speaker 1]
It

[00:28:23] - [Speaker 0]
takes me out. I got it like a, you know what I thought? I thought, is this the nineties version of Jethro Toll? You know? Yeah.

[00:28:29] - [Speaker 0]
With the flute. And I thought it's... I found

[00:28:32] - [Speaker 1]
it distracting. Yeah. Right. Because it's interesting you say that because that's their third album.

[00:28:38] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah.

[00:28:38] - [Speaker 1]
And they started as a, you know, really kind of, you know, post punk Buzzcock y type guitar band.

[00:28:47] - [Speaker 0]
That's probably what I need to go into.

[00:28:48] - [Speaker 1]
Delvis brought in... Literally brought in the fiddle player and the multi instrumentalist Martin Bell, really expanded their sound that they took off commercially with that album, but it lost a few of the diehards from albums one and two.

[00:29:08] - [Speaker 0]
I think that that's probably what my journey would have been had I been there at the time. So to prove to you though, my investment in this and try, I then went and listened to Vent four fourteen, second album that you had mentioned in earlier pod, because I thought, Oh, I know you'd said that that was a bit more kind of rockier sort of vibe. And I loved it. I really enjoyed that. And so I

[00:29:36] - [Speaker 1]
think that's down your stressor. Yeah. So

[00:29:38] - [Speaker 0]
I think it's just, you know what? And that's the thing, I actually really love Prog Rock and I reckon we've got to do a couple of pods on some big Prog Rock things. It had a bit of a Prog Rock

[00:29:48] - [Speaker 1]
for a It does, it does. I agree. Yeah. No. The Vent four and four...

[00:29:53] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, sorry. Not Vent four, I was talking about the Wonder

[00:29:56] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, The Wonder Stuff. Yeah. No. Look, it's... Yeah.

[00:30:00] - [Speaker 1]
No. Interesting take on it. And I gotta say I

[00:30:03] - [Speaker 0]
would give it a B is my grade.

[00:30:06] - [Speaker 1]
You're picking up a die hard Wonder Stuff fan sentiment. I mean, for me, that was a revelation album, age 15.

[00:30:16] - [Speaker 0]
The other the other thing is, you

[00:30:19] - [Speaker 1]
know, British music isn't always just about the music. And Miles Hunt, the the lead singer

[00:30:26] - [Speaker 0]
Mhmm.

[00:30:26] - [Speaker 1]
Songwriter, he's a cool dude. Yeah. And, you know, when you're buying The Weekly's enemy melody maker

[00:30:34] - [Speaker 0]
Mhmm.

[00:30:35] - [Speaker 1]
He gave he gave good interviews. Oh, yeah. He was, you know, he was Gallagher esque in his his media Mhmm. Fronting. And so, you know, the British music scene is often informed by the culture around it as well as the music.

[00:30:52] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. And look, that's fair. And that's the thing. I think I've got bands like that where I came across and I just loved them. And then they're part of your life.

[00:31:02] - [Speaker 0]
But yeah, I guess coming to it completely raw, I just, I kind of wanted to love it and I can appreciate it. And I found it as an interesting curiosity because I know you, but if I stumbled upon that in the wild, I don't know that I would pick But it I did like vent four fourteen and I will go back and I will look at some of the earlier stuff and maybe I'm just a nonfiddle loving troglodyte.

[00:31:30] - [Speaker 1]
Well, look, they'll come up again. So there's plenty of time Ash. Yeah.

[00:31:34] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well anyway, homework's done. That was a long homework, but I think a good one.

[00:31:41] - [Speaker 1]
A good one. A great one.

[00:31:42] - [Speaker 0]
All right. Well, we will take a short little music interlude and then we'll be back with more. And we're back. Alright. Now, before we get into our main course of Beatles part one, we thought that given the amazingly kind feedback we received on our hot takes, we'd do another five drop off overrated, underrated or properly rated.

[00:32:37] - [Speaker 0]
So Matt, why don't you go first?

[00:32:39] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, it's a tough category, we're brave. Is so

[00:32:44] - [Speaker 0]
we do it. We do like to congratulate ourselves as we had a realization.

[00:32:49] - [Speaker 1]
And we did a great job last time despite some feedback. We nailed it.

[00:32:53] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Think so. So same rules as last time, five bands or artists, and you can only say underrated, overrated or properly rated. We're not allowed to give context, even though we sort of broke that rule many times. But you're allowed, let's say can, okay, new rule.

[00:33:11] - [Speaker 0]
You can pick one that after your five, you can explain yourself.

[00:33:15] - [Speaker 1]
So you're allowed to go to the jury on one.

[00:33:19] - [Speaker 0]
Only one. And probably it's going be the one that you find most, challenging, but let's see how we go. Okay. Let's do it.

[00:33:25] - [Speaker 1]
All right. Let's go. I'm going. Right. Okay.

[00:33:28] - [Speaker 1]
Queen.

[00:33:31] - [Speaker 0]
Properly rated.

[00:33:33] - [Speaker 1]
Robbie Williams.

[00:33:37] - [Speaker 0]
Overrated. Harsh. Whole. Underrated. Silverchair.

[00:33:48] - [Speaker 0]
Overrated. That's not timely. We've got the NRL grand final this weekend so

[00:33:56] - [Speaker 1]
I The feel bad for the Flaming Lips.

[00:34:02] - [Speaker 0]
That's a tough one. I'm going say underrated.

[00:34:06] - [Speaker 1]
Interesting. And what's your, what do you want to elaborate on further? I mean, Robbie Williams, that's, you know, he's he's Britain's top light entertainer.

[00:34:18] - [Speaker 0]
I just don't enjoy him. I just... He's rubbish. Yeah. I I don't know.

[00:34:23] - [Speaker 0]
Like some of his songs are nice. Like they're good songs, but I don't want to, I don't want to burn my one on him. I'm going to talk a bit about Silverchair because we are going to do for Ausmusic month, an Ausmusic podcast because we love Australian music. And I'm sure that they'll come up then. With silver chair, I like their music, but I just feel like the space that they take up in the nineties alternative Australian space is outsized for, I think what they did was actually blow open the doors for a lot of Australian artists.

[00:35:00] - [Speaker 0]
And I think probably for me, it was their later albums that I dipped out of. Now I've got to make and shout out Todd, who's a big fan of them. And I remember when those new albums came out, he picked them up and he's like, Oh my God, it's amazing. And I was like, I don't care for this. I think it was straight lines and stuff like that.

[00:35:20] - [Speaker 1]
I like straight lines. Yeah. I just That's on their last album.

[00:35:24] - [Speaker 0]
I think so. Yeah. Like his voice had started to go a bit, I think. I really wanna read that book though that Chris have done. Maybe I'll read that and then I'll come back and think about it.

[00:35:41] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah, I

[00:35:41] - [Speaker 0]
think I'm just not a huge fan of where they ended up. And I think the overrated probably is more to do with like, I probably like their music more than I like powder fingers music, but I feel like powder finger don't get the reps that they should around their role in Australian nineties scene. Anyway, let's say that

[00:36:05] - [Speaker 1]
bigger discussion. Powder finger or silver chair for you.

[00:36:08] - [Speaker 0]
Oh really? So I would have said even, I would say powder finger underrated. Not that I was asked, but, because yeah, I think they kind of... Yeah. Anyway.

[00:36:22] - [Speaker 1]
Can I just say, I like your take? And I do think that Silver Chair kind of took a few column inches away from other Australian mid nineties, really looking forward to that Ausmusic month, by the way. And, yeah, just sort of how they've translated into into into modern day. Shout out to my nephew, Ollie, actually.

[00:36:42] - [Speaker 0]
He's... What is he? 22. He's a he's a he's a he's a great singer singer, guitarist in his own right. But he loves all the early nineties Yeah.

[00:36:54] - [Speaker 1]
Australian stuff.

[00:36:55] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Cool.

[00:36:55] - [Speaker 1]
I think he was the number one listener for Jebediah Oh, wow. Spotify.

[00:36:59] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, that's

[00:36:59] - [Speaker 1]
He's right into it.

[00:37:00] - [Speaker 0]
Jebediah are a great band.

[00:37:01] - [Speaker 1]
Shout out to Ollie.

[00:37:02] - [Speaker 0]
We might get Ollie Ollie's views as a young person on all things Australian.

[00:37:09] - [Speaker 1]
Excellent. Alternative in the mid nineties.

[00:37:11] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Well, we're looking forward to that podcast. Okay. Well, will go now. So Eel five, let's get going.

[00:37:18] - [Speaker 0]
First one, the Dandy

[00:37:19] - [Speaker 1]
Warhols. Underrated.

[00:37:23] - [Speaker 0]
Interesting. Okay. Pink Floyd. Overrated. Will go Dolly Parton.

[00:37:38] - [Speaker 0]
About right. We miss you Dolly. Big love.

[00:37:44] - [Speaker 1]
Elvis. Never loved Elvis. Overrated. Overrated Elvis. Love it.

[00:37:51] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Okay.

[00:37:53] - [Speaker 0]
And last one, I'll pick an Australian one as well. Ansilovipe, spider bait.

[00:38:02] - [Speaker 1]
About right.

[00:38:03] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And what one did you wanna cover?

[00:38:08] - [Speaker 1]
I'm rethinking Danny Warhol's. I'm thinking they're underrated because I do think they were drowned out a little bit by some other big big kahunas around them. But, you know, some of that bohemian like You and Not A Few of the... They're a great little pop band, but I'm starting to think of a lot of the other stuff that they did, which was a little patchy. I saw them live, really enjoyed that.

[00:38:40] - [Speaker 0]
They've got live band?

[00:38:41] - [Speaker 1]
Good live band. Yeah. And I love that music documentary, Dig.

[00:38:45] - [Speaker 0]
Have you

[00:38:45] - [Speaker 1]
seen that?

[00:38:46] - [Speaker 0]
No, I haven't.

[00:38:47] - [Speaker 1]
So it's got the Brian Jonestown massacre.

[00:38:49] - [Speaker 0]
Which is like the best band name.

[00:38:51] - [Speaker 1]
Oh yeah. He's a crazy cat, that guy. But yeah, no, I think I'll stick with Danny Warhol's being underrated.

[00:39:02] - [Speaker 0]
Okay, interesting. I'm a fan and I wanted to get your take on them. So that's good, I'm glad

[00:39:09] - [Speaker 1]
you You should watch Dig, Yeah. It's a documentary. It's really

[00:39:12] - [Speaker 0]
it's come down is probably one... Like, I think that's actually a really, really solid album all the way through.

[00:39:19] - [Speaker 1]
What was the single off the next album get on or

[00:39:23] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah, that was, I think that was on. I'm not

[00:39:26] - [Speaker 1]
sure about that one.

[00:39:26] - [Speaker 0]
But they got big after that album because that's when Bohemian Like You from the, what is it? 13 Tales of Urban Bohemian or something like that. I didn't love that album as much, but Danny Warhol's Come Down is, yeah, it's one of my favorites.

[00:39:42] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. That's great. I like their vibe as well.

[00:39:45] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. And the really cool intersection of keyboard player as well.

[00:39:50] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[00:39:54] - [Speaker 0]
Think that was a less spicy version of our underrated overrated.

[00:39:59] - [Speaker 1]
Not controversial.

[00:40:00] - [Speaker 0]
No, not controversial at all. We need to step it up. Maybe we'll need to throw someone... I thought I would I thought I would get you with Elvis, but

[00:40:07] - [Speaker 1]
Never loved Elvis.

[00:40:08] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah.

[00:40:09] - [Speaker 1]
No. Look there. I appreciate the sort of mythology and and almost the cultural impact of Elvis, but, you know, musically rubbish.

[00:40:23] - [Speaker 0]
Hopefully, someone's gonna do, like, a little cut of that so that you you just

[00:40:27] - [Speaker 1]
No. Look. I appreciate it. And and look. Elvis isn't a bad segue in terms of the influence

[00:40:32] - [Speaker 0]
he put on. That's the thing he did. In terms of artists that really blew up Big the

[00:40:37] - [Speaker 1]
cultural influence. But I can't say I ever sit down and put on Elvis live.

[00:40:42] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. That's true. Interesting errors in his music as well. There's some songs I really like, like In the Ghetto, Can't Help Falling in Love. Like, there's some good songs.

[00:40:54] - [Speaker 0]
I'm Not Convincing You.

[00:40:55] - [Speaker 1]
A bit cheesy. Yeah. No, no, look, was

[00:40:57] - [Speaker 0]
so They're no kiss.

[00:40:58] - [Speaker 1]
He's not we'd been

[00:40:59] - [Speaker 0]
around in the fifties, no doubt we'd be little Elvis fans. That's true. That's true. Yeah. Cool.

[00:41:05] - [Speaker 0]
All right. Well, with that, we might segue into another cultural icon and zeitgeist, which is the Beatles. So as we discussed at the top, we're splitting this into two parts. This is Beatles part one, and we are doing our ultimate pre peppers album for the Beatles. So go your usual rules, it's six aside.

[00:41:33] - [Speaker 0]
So a 12 track LP, you can pick from anything from the Beatles early years right up until Revolver, that's the last. And obviously any of the singles release because that's a big part of this is not just the album releases. And yeah, it can't be a greatest hits. Although as we discussed I just don't think the Beatles have deep cuts because every song is iconic but obviously I'm a big fan so I would say that. But the idea is you have to have an album that flows and goes through so Matthew, why don't you kick us off and go through your pre Peppers 12?

[00:42:12] - [Speaker 1]
I shall, Ash. And I kick off with the song I mentioned last week right up there. I think I start and end with two of my favorite ever Beatles songs. So I'm kicking off with Here, There, and Everywhere.

[00:42:28] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, lovely.

[00:42:28] - [Speaker 1]
From Revolver, it was our first wedding song

[00:42:33] - [Speaker 0]
Mhmm.

[00:42:33] - [Speaker 1]
Dance thing. So it's got a special memory there, but it's just such a beautiful song. I don't know if the timelines work out here, but it's very Bert Bakarak to me.

[00:42:43] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, interesting. You know, Bakarak y, beautiful Bakarak. Bakarak

[00:42:51] - [Speaker 1]
You know, just as little aside, you know, he used to have a big pond. This is a true story. Where he looked after ducks.

[00:43:02] - [Speaker 0]
Okay. And he he had

[00:43:04] - [Speaker 1]
a favorite duck called Quack Quackarack.

[00:43:07] - [Speaker 0]
Is this a joke?

[00:43:08] - [Speaker 1]
It's a true story.

[00:43:09] - [Speaker 0]
No way.

[00:43:10] - [Speaker 1]
It's a true story, Quack Quackarack. So I just think it's a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful song. Like the sentiment of that song, the orchestration, it's McCartney at its most. I mean, that is just too

[00:43:24] - [Speaker 0]
much at times. No one does love songs like Paul McCartney.

[00:43:27] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, God. No. So look, from there as well, another revolver take. So I'm starting one, two with McCartney here. Got to get you into my life.

[00:43:37] - [Speaker 0]
Interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:43:38] - [Speaker 1]
I just think, you know, it's sort of a bit of a peppier number after you're The there and brass. Just taps. Yeah. And we've talked a bit about the Beatles influence in that mid nineties and putting aside that sort of band from Manchester. I think Got To Get You Into My Life, if you listen to a lot of that indie Britpop landfill from the mid nineties, a lot of brass going on, never reached the heights of that song, but a big a big a big reference point

[00:44:10] - [Speaker 0]
from a lot

[00:44:10] - [Speaker 1]
of mid nineties bands. Then I go into the lovely Dylan esque number, You've Got to Hide Your Love Away from Help. Just a beautiful John Lennon track, isn't it? Sublime, really, really good. And, one of the first songs I learned to play on the guitar

[00:44:28] - [Speaker 0]
Ah, yes. It's a little

[00:44:29] - [Speaker 1]
g d f c number. You know? A nice little acoustic rambling through for people like

[00:44:37] - [Speaker 0]
way they recorded his voice on that is really interesting too because it stands out on that album in the way it was recorded, like very differently. Yeah.

[00:44:46] - [Speaker 1]
And just a little nod back to some early Beatles, which don't feature hugely on my list, but All My Loving.

[00:44:54] - [Speaker 0]
All My Loving. Oh, yeah. Beetles. Yeah. Interesting.

[00:44:56] - [Speaker 1]
Great little tune.

[00:44:57] - [Speaker 0]
I think on these twirls, we have to have a spread. Yeah. Otherwise, we're just gonna end up with, like, Rubber Soul and Revolver together. Yeah. So I'm glad that you did that.

[00:45:06] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. All My Loving. A couple of other little deeper cuts, but yeah, all my loving. Another lovey dovey McCartney one actually. Are

[00:45:15] - [Speaker 0]
you at the turn now?

[00:45:16] - [Speaker 1]
No. I've got one more. So I'm at track five. Another another another love love song, but this time with the Lennon edge to it. It's only love from Help.

[00:45:31] - [Speaker 1]
I almost went for the anthology two take on It's Only Love, which is a bit looser. Yeah. It's a bit looser than the recorded version on Help. It's a great it's a great song. It's Lennon at its best.

[00:45:45] - [Speaker 1]
And I've realized even looking at early Lennon, just love the woozy Lennon, you know, the looser Lennon. And some of my other McCartney picks, they're they're more precise and musically so on it. But that woozy Lennon in It's Only Love was one of first tracks I felt that kind of looser Lennon start to come into the Beatles.

[00:46:09] - [Speaker 0]
That's really interesting. Yeah.

[00:46:11] - [Speaker 1]
Love it. So my turn then is a bit of a curiosity, not one that you would actually, I'm sure you know it, but I actually got into this actually through Anthology One, I think, as an outtake. But it's the B side to Ticket to Ride. Yes, it is.

[00:46:30] - [Speaker 0]
I don't know that one. Yeah. It's I love finding new Beatles songs.

[00:46:34] - [Speaker 1]
Look. So this... The harmonies, it's almost barbershop, not Cortex. I'm sure they didn't let Ringo near the mic, but it's a it's just a beautiful Lennon number. Okay.

[00:46:47] - [Speaker 1]
Highly recommend it.

[00:46:48] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, wow. I

[00:46:48] - [Speaker 1]
love So it's been a favorite of mine.

[00:46:50] - [Speaker 0]
Excellent. Yeah.

[00:46:51] - [Speaker 1]
Yes, it is. So that's the end of side one.

[00:46:56] - [Speaker 0]
Cool.

[00:46:56] - [Speaker 1]
Nice little way to end side one, actually. Yes, it is.

[00:47:01] - [Speaker 0]
I'm going to listen to that exactly when we stop hitting record.

[00:47:04] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. I start off side two with a McCartney number from Revolver for No One. Interesting. Just love that song.

[00:47:15] - [Speaker 0]
Mhmm.

[00:47:16] - [Speaker 1]
Maybe maybe after your takedown of Never Loved Elvis, that's got a bit bit too much going on.

[00:47:23] - [Speaker 0]
I will hold my comments for that till I get to my 12.

[00:47:27] - [Speaker 1]
But yeah, for no one's always been a big track of mine. Now I've realized I've done this, but Revolve does feature heavily for me, but I've gone straight into then to balance out that McCartney into a little Lennon Rocky number, And Your Bird Can Sing. Great track. Great track. Then track nine, first of my Rubber tracks, which has that made you sad that Rubber Soul's taken this long to feature?

[00:47:57] - [Speaker 0]
No, not really because I'm kind of the opposite, but I'll get to that when I do my 12.

[00:48:04] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. I thought you'd be Rubber Soul heavy. So I was trying to balance out a bit of love for Revolver. But I've gone I'm Looking Through You. Love that song.

[00:48:12] - [Speaker 1]
Always loved that song. Then straight into a track that I don't think appeared on an album. I think it was one of these double A side single releases. So double A side with Daytripper. I've gone, We Can Work It Out.

[00:48:26] - [Speaker 1]
Yes. And I've realized that I sort of think I'm looking through you and We Can Work It Out kind of feel like, you know, we're talking about sibling songs. I just felt like they work really well together, double-

[00:48:39] - [Speaker 0]
That's not really. Really good. I think you're right. I think they are kind of music siblings,

[00:48:44] - [Speaker 1]
aren't they? Similar.

[00:48:47] - [Speaker 0]
Song siblings, I guess we'll call it. Yeah.

[00:48:51] - [Speaker 1]
Now my track 11, before we finish with probably my favorite Beatles song, but back to woozy Ledden, sleepy Ledden, I'm only sleeping. Yeah, just a great track. Great to play on the guitar that

[00:49:06] - [Speaker 0]
one as well, it's such

[00:49:07] - [Speaker 1]
a good track. And just Lennon, just being a lazy bastard, signaling his future, laying in bed.

[00:49:16] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah, that's true.

[00:49:17] - [Speaker 1]
I'm only sleeping. Sleep becomes quite a theme of Lennon lyrically.

[00:49:23] - [Speaker 0]
It does, isn't it?

[00:49:24] - [Speaker 1]
And I think he struggled.

[00:49:25] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, okay.

[00:49:27] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah, he's a pretty intense guy, wasn't he? So sleep's a real theme for him lyrically.

[00:49:32] - [Speaker 0]
I thought it was a lot to do with the drugs, but.

[00:49:37] - [Speaker 1]
Wants to stay awake and wants to go to sleep all at the same time, I'm sure. Probably. Now my last track, Bringing It Home, any guesses? What my...

[00:49:47] - [Speaker 0]
I don't know because any of my guesses would have been stuff you've already said. I'm actually really interested where you're gonna go.

[00:49:52] - [Speaker 1]
Probably my favorite Beatles song.

[00:49:54] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah.

[00:49:54] - [Speaker 1]
It gets me every time. Yeah. In my life.

[00:50:02] - [Speaker 0]
What a soul. I'm laughing because that's possibly, well, it's not possibly, it is my favorite from the pre peppers era. Yeah.

[00:50:12] - [Speaker 1]
It's... I mean, how did a man in his early twenties Yeah.

[00:50:20] - [Speaker 0]
That's the thing you forget how young they were when they recorded a lot of that stuff.

[00:50:23] - [Speaker 1]
And I I haven't really talked to you much about my Liverpudlian heritage because my whole dad is Liverpudlian, he migrated to New Zealand actually, his whole family in 'sixty seven. So he landed as a 17 year old from Liverpool, fresh off the boat in New Zealand. So we've got lots of Beatles connections and references from those days. So I know. In my life for me just takes on a kind of whole sort of family meaning.

[00:50:58] - [Speaker 1]
I've got a little Penny Lane right there. My Liverpudlian dad's family, they grew up in Stonycroft, which is a very working class area of Liverpool. Yeah, lots of just little cross references, The Beatles, the Brian Epstein music store was in Stonycroft, I So my dad and his little mates would have been in and around there. In my life just kind of has that bigger meaning for me as well.

[00:51:31] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, that's really nice. It's such a good song though. Like the, is it electric piano?

[00:51:38] - [Speaker 1]
George Martin did that.

[00:51:40] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Bit, and they kind of speed it up a bit. They do. They do. Yeah.

[00:51:45] - [Speaker 0]
And it's just so nice.

[00:51:48] - [Speaker 1]
Is it when they went to a new level musically, that song? I mean, would argue for no one and all of that continued on, but when you think of Rubber Soul, just the musicality of it. Do you know just a fun fact on in my life, I think it's one of the only Lennon McCartney contested songs in terms of who wrote it. Oh. Yeah.

[00:52:14] - [Speaker 1]
So pop, I think most people claim it as a Lennon song.

[00:52:19] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah.

[00:52:19] - [Speaker 1]
I think McCartney claims to have written the music for it, which Lennon said he didn't. So it's one of the only... I think in a gentle way, like there was no Seamus from county down to get involved from a lawyer perspective, but I think it is... I think I think McCartney disputed Lennon's memory of that song being pretty much a solo write.

[00:52:46] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Didn't know that. Yeah. I'm just looking it up. Have you heard Judy Collins cover of it?

[00:52:54] - [Speaker 1]
No, I don't think so.

[00:52:56] - [Speaker 0]
It's really interesting because it has a different take. It's really good, but with a female voice, it's it's just... It's... It hits differently.

[00:53:08] - [Speaker 1]
Okay.

[00:53:08] - [Speaker 0]
And I really like that that cover. But, yeah, I I had heard about the contested element of the songwriting, but it's also one of those ones where I think it's a it's a it's a beautiful song. I'm not sure that I agree with the that's where they elevated. And I guess I'll come to that in my one. Because I think, I definitely think, I think it came a bit earlier.

[00:53:37] - [Speaker 0]
I think help showed really fundamental differences. I

[00:53:42] - [Speaker 1]
think I had two or three from help.

[00:53:46] - [Speaker 0]
It's a

[00:53:46] - [Speaker 1]
of an underrated one.

[00:53:48] - [Speaker 0]
It really is. And I think for me, that's kind of where it started to shift, but definitely Rubber Soul by that stage, it was, they were complete. And then Revolver was almost another step change.

[00:53:59] - [Speaker 1]
On their own level.

[00:54:00] - [Speaker 0]
All right. Over to you. Awesome. Well, that's again, kind of funny because we've got a lot of similarities here and there's components in there, but then some interesting differences, as well. So, okay.

[00:54:14] - [Speaker 0]
I start off with a hard day's night. Oh, with that

[00:54:19] - [Speaker 1]
with the the mystery chord.

[00:54:21] - [Speaker 0]
Yep. I I think, and we've talked about this, like, I love openers in songs where it's like a a a big drum hit or a big chord or something like a bam. And it's like it's like... Gets you there. I really love that song.

[00:54:38] - [Speaker 0]
And I think it's a great opener. And then, obviously that's off a hard day's night. Yeah. Yeah. And then second song is I've Just Seen a Face of Help.

[00:54:49] - [Speaker 1]
Right.

[00:54:50] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. I really like that one as well. Like, it kind of runs on as well. It's got a real kind of fast beat to it. It's, it's a nice, a nice, song.

[00:55:00] - [Speaker 0]
Then my first off Revolver, and I have three on revolver and three on rubber sole and I had to limit myself. But she said, she said. Like honestly, it's funny, I could pick, I've got so many that didn't make the cut that I want to talk about, but that was the one that I felt fit at that spot. So I was very, very conscious about how this flowed. And so I listened to this playlist and kind of tweaked it in the, I listened to it in the car obviously.

[00:55:39] - [Speaker 0]
And I tweaked it again and again and again, just to try and get the balance right of the songs. Cause I couldn't, this wasn't like when we did Radiohead or The Cure where I was just like picking out songs I really enjoyed. I like all the songs. So for me it was about what hits or feels right in this spot. So I guess that's an excuse to say I could probably put another seven songs in that slot from Revolver.

[00:56:09] - [Speaker 0]
And then I do a rubber sole double in my life, which we've talked about and is probably my favorite. But then, and I'm surprised this wasn't on your list because this is genuinely my favorite Beatles songs, except for one in the pre Peppers era, post Peppers era, which I don't want to spoil. We'll save that for the next pod, but this is the other one. This is the one and two. It's Nowhere Man.

[00:56:40] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. See, I went between You've Got to Hide Your Love Way and Nowhere Man in terms of that sort of Dylan y acoustic y type number, but it's a

[00:56:52] - [Speaker 0]
great track. And it's all the instruments coming together beautifully. It's got deep meaning. I think sometimes I kind of feel it's very biographical. Like I definitely think that they were going through some of that stuff.

[00:57:15] - [Speaker 0]
But again, it's kind of like you saying in my life, how does someone that young write something so kind of profound? Like honestly, there's times when, particularly as I getting older, I really feel it, you know, like I know it's tough to talk about for guys, but there's times when I just feel like that, where you just feel kind of invisible in a way. And I don't know, it's a really, I think it just hits me every time I hear it. It just gets me into a kind of a thought space and a mind space. I just think it's a beautiful song and I really like it.

[00:57:53] - [Speaker 0]
And then on my turn I have, You Got To Hide Your Love Away. So that's where I put that. And I agree totally. It's yes. And we were talking about this before the pod, like it gets a lot of heat as like, it's a Dylan rip off.

[00:58:09] - [Speaker 0]
And it's like, so what? It's great though.

[00:58:11] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, it's great. It's a Beatles Dylan. But

[00:58:13] - [Speaker 0]
it's so good. It's like, and the jangly acoustic it's record, as I said, it's recorded interestingly. And that's, I think that to me is evidence of where, help was a level up. And there's another song, which I won't spoil yet. That is, is, I think those two for me is where I would put point to the evidence that help was where they leveled up.

[00:58:36] - [Speaker 1]
The songwriting just separated themselves.

[00:58:40] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. And look, I mean, I've just seen the faces off help, but that would... That's what I would consider consistent early Beatles sort of stuff. Like that's a Beatles song you would have heard, but I don't think you hear You Gotta Hide Your Love Way and this other song I'm gonna mention ever before. Yeah.

[00:58:55] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Okay. So side two, open up with tax man. Wait. So tax man, I also find it kind of ironic, and I wonder if there's a lot of self awareness about rich people writing songs about the tax situation.

[00:59:13] - [Speaker 0]
But the history of the song is kind of interesting and, you know, kind of it's a real hit piece on those politicians at the time. Obviously, the tax that they were facing. Yeah. But, you know, But the challenge is right, like they were working class people and they're complaining about taxes that were hitting wealthy people. And yet still it's an absolute banger song and I love it.

[00:59:37] - [Speaker 1]
I've struggled with it because of that sort sentiment, like rich rock stars.

[00:59:41] - [Speaker 0]
You know? Complaining about having to pay extra tax.

[00:59:43] - [Speaker 1]
Progressive tax as well. Right? The more you earn, the more you pay. Yeah. George wasn't happy.

[00:59:49] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Which is kind of funny, isn't it? Yeah. But, anyway, I do love the song, though.

[00:59:55] - [Speaker 1]
Shout out to the baseline.

[00:59:56] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. That was... And so Revolver is where I think Paul McCartney's basslines went, like, nuts. It's when he realized, oh, I don't just have to play the root notes. You know?

[01:00:06] - [Speaker 0]
I can I can get going?

[01:00:09] - [Speaker 1]
Taxman baseline ripped off a thousand times, I reckon.

[01:00:13] - [Speaker 0]
No. For sure. For sure. It's a great song. I love it.

[01:00:15] - [Speaker 0]
I just... I I find it personally problematic, because, you know, I do love tax.

[01:00:20] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Okay. Ode to tax.

[01:00:22] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Alright.

[01:00:27] - [Speaker 1]
Your your debut album is gonna be a a barrel of laughs. It's focused on

[01:00:33] - [Speaker 0]
tax reform. Economic. Yeah. It's... You can all look forward to debt equity rules and and capital gains tax, the album, when it comes out.

[01:00:48] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, look. I've got your album title ready to go, Ash. Oh, yeah. I think so. And it could hint at a metal influence negative gearing.

[01:00:55] - [Speaker 1]
Oh,

[01:00:56] - [Speaker 0]
yeah. That's a good one. Alright. I think I think we think... I think we might be onto something there.

[01:01:01] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Think that'll have broad appeal. Yeah. Alright. Let's stick...

[01:01:04] - [Speaker 0]
Let's let's go on. Crackle. Alright. Second song of the second album is If I Fell.

[01:01:12] - [Speaker 1]
You're going back a bit.

[01:01:13] - [Speaker 0]
So that one's a hard day's night as well. I think it's a beautiful song. It's beautiful. Next, it is actually funny because I really struggled and we'll get to this with the singles, the non album singles. I wanted to have Daytripper, We Can Work It Out and Pay the Back Rider.

[01:01:33] - [Speaker 0]
I wanted all of them. And honestly, at different points I did. But I didn't think that it was fair to the list because at that point it'd be a greatest hits because I just love those songs and they're really good. And it would mean I'd have to dump other pieces that would get a more of a broader sweep. So the one I picked was We Can Work It Out.

[01:01:56] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. See, I... Yeah. Why that not Daytripper? What's your...

[01:02:02] - [Speaker 1]
Because I went that as well. Yeah.

[01:02:05] - [Speaker 0]
Don't... I couldn't tell you honestly. Like, I think I've swapped it in and out so many times. It's kind of, I've kind of probably lost the justification.

[01:02:15] - [Speaker 1]
What would you do young Ash? I just You get you get a double a side, day tripper. We can work it out. Would you? Little head of just exploded.

[01:02:25] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, and that's the other thing. These are the... This is the stuff they're dropping that's not on the album. In between albums. Yeah.

[01:02:29] - [Speaker 0]
Anyway, I'll see saw

[01:02:31] - [Speaker 1]
the Beatles, by the way.

[01:02:32] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, really? Yeah.

[01:02:33] - [Speaker 1]
Oh. Yeah. She was a big fan.

[01:02:35] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. After that, I've got I'm Looking Through You off Rubber Soul, which I... You had on

[01:02:42] - [Speaker 1]
So you've done a one. You've done a, yeah, you've done a sister song there if you didn't... Like, I've done it's that first and then-

[01:02:51] - [Speaker 0]
Until we worked out. So it's, that's why it was kind of funny when you mentioned it because we both kind of picked the same bit, but just in a reverse order. And so I totally agree with your take, Song Sibling and just sort of funny that we both ended up in the same spot.

[01:03:12] - [Speaker 1]
Interesting. McCarthy Runs Deep.

[01:03:14] - [Speaker 0]
Well, I mean, it's a great song. And then probably my own, well, it is my only early Beatles. My next one is It Won't Be Long. It's got real Fab Four vibes, I think it's probably the more complex and complete of the early Beatles.

[01:03:38] - [Speaker 1]
Which one is that? What album is that on?

[01:03:40] - [Speaker 0]
I think it's on Meet the Beatles. But, it's, oh no, sorry, With the Beatles. Yeah. Cause they obviously had a lot of really, great, song title, album titles then. So it's the same one that All My Loving's On And, Please Miss Postman.

[01:04:02] - [Speaker 0]
They did a lot of great covers, didn't they? Money, that's what I want. Yeah. That's great. But yeah, it was the first, song off that album.

[01:04:11] - [Speaker 0]
And a great, great, great one. It's kind of like a real upbeat poppy, you want to get going and scream out. You could imagine that would

[01:04:21] - [Speaker 1]
have gone down live very well.

[01:04:23] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Would have been. And then my closer is for no one.

[01:04:28] - [Speaker 1]
I

[01:04:32] - [Speaker 0]
honestly didn't think you'd pick it. It's my favorite off revolver and I love it. Little French horn bit. I was having a dig at the instrumentation there, thought you might, know, You might got it strike wrong because it's not a fiddle. I love it.

[01:04:52] - [Speaker 0]
I think for no one is Brilliant. And then once again, you have failed to remember the same

[01:04:59] - [Speaker 1]
actually, because I was gonna... I've got one that I think will be your one as well.

[01:05:03] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, really? As a secret track.

[01:05:05] - [Speaker 1]
Maybe we should say it at the same time.

[01:05:07] - [Speaker 0]
Well, you tell me.

[01:05:09] - [Speaker 1]
Tomorrow Never Knows.

[01:05:10] - [Speaker 0]
No. That's my secret track. That's cool. And I want to talk about Tomorrow Never Knows, because it's, it was a regretful cut. I've so many honorable mentions that I'm not even going to bother because then I might as well just have had a 24 bloody double album and breach my own rules.

[01:05:25] - [Speaker 0]
No. My secret song... And I thought a lot about what would be a secret song that they would have. What's something that would like come on after a couple of minutes? Yesterday.

[01:05:39] - [Speaker 0]
Okay. Acoustic. You know, it's kinda like the classic encore. Right? You know, the band's gone off the stage, and then Paul McCartney comes back with the acoustic hits yesterday.

[01:05:50] - [Speaker 0]
Like, it's

[01:05:51] - [Speaker 1]
I like it.

[01:05:52] - [Speaker 0]
And also that's off help. That... When I was saying, you gotta hide your love away

[01:05:58] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[01:05:58] - [Speaker 0]
And yesterday. Yeah. Yesterday is one of the best songs, like, written. I think it gets a lot of a lot of sort of thing as Paul McCartney's kind of most complete song. I think it was...

[01:06:12] - [Speaker 0]
Is that the one that John Lennon said that's the one he wished he'd written?

[01:06:15] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. I mean, he does say... Remember remembering how... What's the how do you sleep? You know, the Lennon Yeah.

[01:06:24] - [Speaker 1]
The really vitriolic Lennon track. The only song you wrote was Yesterday. Yeah. So he kinda gives them a shout out whilst giving them all these drive bys

[01:06:33] - [Speaker 0]
and that song. I don't love that era. That makes me sad. Yeah.

[01:06:36] - [Speaker 1]
It makes me a bit sad as well. But interesting on yesterday, because I think that's one of the most covered Beatles songs.

[01:06:43] - [Speaker 0]
It is. Yeah. And look, think Tomorrow Never Knows is a fantastic secret song. And I really looked for a place to put Tomorrow Never Knows. But I don't want to pinch from our latest segment, so I won't go further into that.

[01:07:03] - [Speaker 0]
So we'll

[01:07:03] - [Speaker 1]
talk about, well,

[01:07:04] - [Speaker 0]
hopefully we'll talk a bit about that You later

[01:07:08] - [Speaker 1]
know, we're talking about how B sides maybe reference what's coming next.

[01:07:12] - [Speaker 0]
The way I thought of Tomorrow Never Knows is that it kind of really flagged the psychedelia, like strap it. Hold that thought. Because I'm gonna come back to you on that one in our next segment.

[01:07:24] - [Speaker 1]
One

[01:07:24] - [Speaker 0]
Okay. Of my Yeah, no worries. But yes, I totally agree. Right. Well, we'll move it on and we'll be back after this.

[01:07:58] - [Speaker 0]
Alright. And we're back. Oh, what's that sound?

[01:08:01] - [Speaker 1]
Sounds like question time.

[01:08:02] - [Speaker 0]
Sounds like the bells are ringing. All right. Well, this is our first go and maybe only go this second. So a little bit of a kind of take on our question time in parliament. We're gonna basically take in turns asking each other questions.

[01:08:19] - [Speaker 0]
So these are questions without notice and the member has one minute to answer only and then we'll be cut off. So today's focus for question time is beetles pre peppers era, what we've been talking about before, and we can now dig into a few of these different things. So, order order. Matthew, a member has the call.

[01:08:44] - [Speaker 1]
Thank you. My question is to the honorable member, Ashley Bell, favorite Beatle please.

[01:08:51] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, yes. Thank you for that question. Speaker, this is a challenging one because I think at different points in my life I had given and I would have given different answers. I think initially it was George. I think it was definitely a long time, McCartney.

[01:09:12] - [Speaker 0]
It was never Ringo. Poor Ringo. I would say it's John Lennon. I think, I really love what he brought to the Beatles. I love his voice.

[01:09:28] - [Speaker 0]
I love all of his songs are always strong. They're always good songs, particularly in pre Peppers era. Think some things start to drift post Peppers. But yeah, think John Lennon's my favorite Beatle. Yeah.

[01:09:44] - [Speaker 0]
Thank you. Over to you. Alright. Thank you. This, question is to the, the minister, for Britpop.

[01:09:57] - [Speaker 0]
Minister, Daytripper, We Can Work It Out, Paperback Rider, Rain, these are all singles in this pre Peppers era and did not end up on any of their albums. So which non album track from this era would you have put on an album and what would you have to drop to make room?

[01:10:21] - [Speaker 1]
I need to focus on Rubber Soul or Revolver, really Mhmm. In terms of those those stand alone singles that you mentioned. And I know this is gonna hurt his income and therefore his tax, but I'm taking off George Harrison's tax man off

[01:10:42] - [Speaker 0]
the phone.

[01:10:42] - [Speaker 1]
Interesting. Opening track. It's gone. Now that means George doesn't have to lodge a tax return that year in '96... 1966.

[01:10:51] - [Speaker 1]
So I think I'm doing him a favor.

[01:10:53] - [Speaker 0]
Mhmm.

[01:10:53] - [Speaker 1]
But I'm gonna replace that with paperback writer.

[01:10:56] - [Speaker 0]
Okay.

[01:10:57] - [Speaker 1]
Yep. I like... Like, I I think it it it fits chronologically, and I think it fits the mood of, Revolver.

[01:11:08] - [Speaker 0]
I think it'd be a great opener for that album as well.

[01:11:11] - [Speaker 1]
Think so. It's got that... What what do you call it? You you you know the music terms a bit better than me. The way they kind of let that...

[01:11:18] - [Speaker 1]
You know, you get a bit of a slight bit of feedback. You know? I think it would be a great album opener.

[01:11:23] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. I think so too. And it does get it going as well. Yeah. Even though Taxman.

[01:11:29] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Look.

[01:11:30] - [Speaker 1]
Great song. I'll keep I'll keep the baseline from Taxman.

[01:11:33] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, yeah.

[01:11:33] - [Speaker 1]
Put it somewhere. Okay. Don't know where. But I think key

[01:11:37] - [Speaker 0]
members time has expired.

[01:11:39] - [Speaker 1]
Thank you for... That's got faded out there. Did you see that?

[01:11:44] - [Speaker 0]
Did you? Okay.

[01:11:46] - [Speaker 1]
That's in post edit.

[01:11:47] - [Speaker 0]
We are gonna stick to this gimmick, listeners, so bear with us.

[01:11:51] - [Speaker 1]
Okay. I've got a bit of a a question for you. My turn. Right?

[01:11:55] - [Speaker 0]
Yep. Okay.

[01:11:57] - [Speaker 1]
So this one is the minister for wacky beetle socks.

[01:12:04] - [Speaker 0]
Oh.

[01:12:04] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. So question for the guy over there in yellow submarine socks. And there's a right or wrong to this one. No pressure.

[01:12:15] - [Speaker 0]
Okay.

[01:12:15] - [Speaker 1]
Like, this is an opinion based. You need to know this or you don't. What's the family connection between Oasis and the Beatles?

[01:12:27] - [Speaker 0]
Thank you, member, for the question. I don't know. Okay. So the member might need to inform me.

[01:12:41] - [Speaker 1]
Connection is Zach Starkey, the son of Ringo Yeah. Your fourth favorite Beatle, played drums for Oasis.

[01:12:53] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, really?

[01:12:54] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. He played drums on Don't Believe the Truth and Dig Out Your Soul. Wow. The last two Oasis albums. He only toured on the Don't Believe The Truth live global shows.

[01:13:06] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. But he drummed on the last album. And Zach Starkey was also, I think, about the same time and only up until recently, the drummer in the hoop.

[01:13:17] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah.

[01:13:18] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah. So he's a great drummer. So, yeah, that's the that's the family connection.

[01:13:23] - [Speaker 0]
It's interesting. You could make a protege of the Beatles Beatles band. I wonder if they ever thought about it. Yeah. Except I'm not sure that any of Paul's kids are musicians.

[01:13:40] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah. The Watts is... James. Is he?

[01:13:43] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[01:13:44] - [Speaker 0]
Oh. Okay.

[01:13:45] - [Speaker 1]
I shouldn't say that.

[01:13:46] - [Speaker 0]
Stella McCartney is, like, obviously incredibly famous.

[01:13:49] - [Speaker 1]
Don't even get her own

[01:13:49] - [Speaker 0]
right as a as a fashion designer. But

[01:13:52] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. That's right. Yeah. James McCartney, does music.

[01:13:56] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, okay.

[01:13:57] - [Speaker 1]
But But

[01:13:58] - [Speaker 0]
I'm thinking, like

[01:13:58] - [Speaker 1]
It's not great.

[01:13:59] - [Speaker 0]
I was gonna say... So you... You'd have two for John and none for Paul and have, Julian Lennon, Sean Lennon, and then Zach Starkey on the drums. And then Dan,

[01:14:12] - [Speaker 1]
is it Danny? Danny?

[01:14:13] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Danny. Harrison, on the guitar.

[01:14:17] - [Speaker 1]
Who's played bass? You're going to bring in your old mate from Primus on bass.

[01:14:21] - [Speaker 0]
Pretty much. Yeah. Les Claymore colleagues imagine that. Anyway, we have... Members time has expired and the member will be reminded not to do random sidewards discussions about Beatles' proteges, please.

[01:14:39] - [Speaker 0]
Say to myself.

[01:14:40] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah.

[01:14:41] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Okay. This question is for the opposition leader of Beatles things. I think we're done with this. This kind of goes to what I was talking about before, and this is why I didn't want to step on it.

[01:15:06] - [Speaker 0]
Revolver closes with Tomorrow Never Knows. Has any other album in all of history ended on a bigger left turn? Now context for this question, your honor. Your

[01:15:23] - [Speaker 1]
honor, you got to the courts.

[01:15:25] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, no. Yeah. We're now doing court... Record club court time. Far out.

[01:15:30] - [Speaker 0]
So speaker, just to give a bit more clarity for my question so the member has a better chance to answer. You're picking up revolver, you're a teenager in the sixties, all you've known is pre Revolver. Right? Now Rubber Soul's got some advanced songs in it. We talked about this.

[01:15:55] - [Speaker 0]
You're all the way through. You are loving this new album. God, Beatles have done it again. Bam. Tomorrow Never Knows hits.

[01:16:04] - [Speaker 0]
That's gotta be like, it is like they had sitar solos on, you know, Norwegian Wood, which we didn't talk about in Rubber Soul that had other pieces and instruments, you know, we've talked about that with French horns and lexic pianos and, but nothing like this is there. And I'm kind of talking through this because I want to give you some time because I did say any other album in history, so you do have to do a bit of thinking. So I'm giving you a little bit of time to think it through. Any other album in history have a hook turn like that?

[01:16:38] - [Speaker 1]
Thank you for the question. And, you know, the honorable member to my right in a Green Day t shirt, by the way, long sleeve as well. Yeah. You don't see a lot of long sleeve band t shirts.

[01:16:51] - [Speaker 0]
No. Anyway, just padding for time. You're gonna

[01:16:56] - [Speaker 1]
use your full beard. Because some of the feedback I actually got back on episode two was it wasn't long enough. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:17:02] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. There was a lot of people that were complaining that we were just too clipped in our thoughts and feelings and That's true. And also that we didn't really stray enough.

[01:17:10] - [Speaker 1]
We don't indulge each other enough.

[01:17:12] - [Speaker 0]
And I don't think we congratulate ourselves enough for the great work that we do.

[01:17:15] - [Speaker 1]
We don't. And

[01:17:17] - [Speaker 0]
that they wanted more heavy references to tax and economic concepts.

[01:17:22] - [Speaker 1]
Bring in some of that into music chat.

[01:17:25] - [Speaker 0]
And also I think what the people were really calling for apart from padding time so people can think about answers to questions was a lot more references to sketchy old men that they think about when they talk to us.

[01:17:42] - [Speaker 1]
You're trashing that memory.

[01:17:45] - [Speaker 0]
Weirdest thing ever. But Okay. Come

[01:17:47] - [Speaker 1]
on. Back to question. The man needs to answer the question. So I'm really trying to think of something that so heavily signals what might be ahead. And I can only imagine if I was a 15 or 16 year old getting to the end of revolver.

[01:18:05] - [Speaker 1]
I would think I was listening to the future when I heard Tomorrow Never Knows. And and what a what a what a kind of... You know, talk about manifesting where we might go, both in terms of songwriting and introducing even pre India, that droney kind

[01:18:24] - [Speaker 0]
of sound with that with that baseline,

[01:18:28] - [Speaker 1]
but also the studio trickery as well, like pushing the

[01:18:31] - [Speaker 0]
How did they do that with a four track?

[01:18:33] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, you know, Abbey Road. Oh, they're clipping and pasting

[01:18:36] - [Speaker 0]
and Amazing.

[01:18:37] - [Speaker 1]
Amazing. You know? So the actual... I don't know if you've seen some documentaries on the making of Tomorrow Never Knows and the clipping of the tapes and the splicing together, which actually McCartney really drove the studio even though again, Lennon gets the chops, right, for all things to Murray Never Knows. But I can't think of a song that closes out an album that sort of so heavily signposts what's next and where they're going.

[01:19:06] - [Speaker 0]
I think that's right. I think, I mean, the reason I posed the question the way I did is because it's an impossible question to answer. But I genuinely don't think there's ever

[01:19:16] - [Speaker 1]
No. I don't think so. I'm trying to think

[01:19:18] - [Speaker 0]
There's nothing that is so different and then also follows through is the other thing. Anyone can do a wacky song.

[01:19:25] - [Speaker 1]
That's right.

[01:19:26] - [Speaker 0]
But I don't think there's anything that follows through in that way. I think interestingly, probably Radiohead was where I thought you might go if you're gonna answer something on the band, but there's still nothing like that. Like, I think street spirit is... And we've talked about this. Street spirit could be on okay computer.

[01:19:48] - [Speaker 1]
I think so.

[01:19:49] - [Speaker 0]
I think Honestly, there's really nothing on the Benz that is like... That would have to be something like, something from the kid a Yeah. Being on the Benz. Yeah. That would almost...

[01:20:00] - [Speaker 0]
That would... I reckon that's the equivalent if you had the bends and come off Pablo Honey and something like kid a or, gosh. What else? Oh, I don't even know. Like, motion picture soundtrack.

[01:20:16] - [Speaker 0]
Something like that. Just dropping at the end. Dropping at the end of that. Yeah. No.

[01:20:20] - [Speaker 0]
I agree. Even street spirit is

[01:20:22] - [Speaker 1]
too Yeah.

[01:20:23] - [Speaker 0]
I too routine.

[01:20:24] - [Speaker 1]
I I think that's a good shout. You're actually bringing something back from Kid A into the Benz era

[01:20:29] - [Speaker 0]
that

[01:20:31] - [Speaker 1]
you kind of then bridge through on Okay Computer. When you get to proper Kid A, you're like,

[01:20:36] - [Speaker 0]
holy mojoly, that was That's the thing. Because I think even Sgt. Peppers and even Magical Mystery tour, they didn't really get back to that until post, maybe white album. Yeah. It feels like a white album song.

[01:20:49] - [Speaker 1]
It's amazing song. It's a great song.

[01:20:51] - [Speaker 0]
Anyway, we've, completely both blown our gimmick and also the time frame on that one.

[01:20:55] - [Speaker 1]
We have.

[01:20:56] - [Speaker 0]
Does the member have any... I think we've still got time for one more

[01:20:59] - [Speaker 1]
question before we before get back we get back to our our our

[01:21:03] - [Speaker 0]
Sitting day.

[01:21:04] - [Speaker 1]
Our sitting day. Yeah. Look. I was gonna... Okay.

[01:21:10] - [Speaker 1]
You... You're only allowed thirty seconds each on this.

[01:21:12] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, I

[01:21:13] - [Speaker 1]
love gonna go to link it back to another segment. I want one underrated... One overrated thing about the Beatles and one underrated. So it's a question and two. I mean, you can choose to answer the question you wanna answer.

[01:21:27] - [Speaker 0]
Well, that's the way it goes. Yeah. Yeah. What's overrated about the Beatles?

[01:21:34] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, I don't... I can't Song? Is there an overrated song? Because I've got one. And and it's peppers?

[01:21:41] - [Speaker 1]
No. This is post pepper, actually. Post red hot chili peppers. Okay. Yeah.

[01:21:47] - [Speaker 1]
So it's it's

[01:21:48] - [Speaker 0]
between two. I'll answer the underrated Yeah. First. What's underrated is the anthology era lost songs Yeah. Frears Bird, Real Love, and the new one now and then.

[01:22:05] - [Speaker 1]
That's good one.

[01:22:06] - [Speaker 0]
I think they are not thought of as iconic Beatles songs. I think if they were out in the original albums or whenever, you know, whatever, they would have been

[01:22:19] - [Speaker 1]
Now and then in in particular.

[01:22:20] - [Speaker 0]
They would have been huge. Now I know that they were in a more mature sort of songwriting phase because, obviously, there were John's cuts, I think, from when he was doing watching the wheels. Yeah. So it's a different thing to say, but seeing them come together. And when I got to watch the anthology Yeah.

[01:22:39] - [Speaker 0]
Doco, which everyone's gotta watch Yeah. Seeing how they actually put them together, there was a genuine collaboration.

[01:22:47] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[01:22:47] - [Speaker 0]
And I think that they are really underrated.

[01:22:49] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. I I agree. I agree.

[01:22:51] - [Speaker 0]
What's your underrated?

[01:22:53] - [Speaker 1]
My underrated is probably the involvement of George Martin.

[01:22:58] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. I think,

[01:22:58] - [Speaker 1]
you know, we were talking about the the piano bit and in my life, and I think just the musicality he brought gets talked about, of course, by Beatles obsessives, but he was the fifth Beatle. Yeah. And, you know, just a just a massive part of their journey and keeping it all together and keeping them focused in the studio. So I think his contribution is actually underrated.

[01:23:22] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Okay.

[01:23:23] - [Speaker 1]
Absolute father figure.

[01:23:25] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Overrated. Yeah. I'm gonna... You're gonna have to indulge me.

[01:23:30] - [Speaker 0]
You you do yours.

[01:23:33] - [Speaker 1]
And look. I I come from a place of not... I love this song, and it's actually the goal song of, grand final hero from the Brisbane Lions, Hugh McCluggage. But I think I think Hey Jude's a bit a bit overdone. Woah.

[01:23:48] - [Speaker 0]
I know. I know. I know.

[01:23:49] - [Speaker 1]
But I I think I think it's

[01:23:51] - [Speaker 0]
Oh my god. That is such a hot take.

[01:23:53] - [Speaker 1]
It is a hot take. And and, I've just always thought it was kind of, you know, when McCartney strays into almost it feels a bit like we're gonna have a big sing along here. And I know the sentiment of the song is beautiful and... But, hey, Jude. Bit overrated by the casual Beatles fan.

[01:24:15] - [Speaker 0]
I I can't I can't do overrated. I'm sorry.

[01:24:18] - [Speaker 1]
Do you know the other track I had?

[01:24:19] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, yeah?

[01:24:20] - [Speaker 1]
If I thought you might, in typical question time, throw this back to me Yeah. Try and get a media clip on me. I had yesterday as well as a bit of a bit of a Oh, I take.

[01:24:35] - [Speaker 0]
I don't I don't disagree with either of your takes. To be honest, if I had to pick an overrated song, it's gonna be one that stepped on, like, all the time, and that's probably one.

[01:24:47] - [Speaker 1]
It is stepped on a bit, isn't it?

[01:24:50] - [Speaker 0]
And, yeah, I don't disagree, but I just, honestly, I can't do it. I'm sorry about it. I can't do it. I can't. There's nothing about the Beatles that's overrated.

[01:24:59] - [Speaker 0]
At the very least it's properly rated or underrated because... But I think I'm just too big of a fan to be objective here.

[01:25:06] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. No, no. That's a fair take. And I don't wanna... You know, I just wanted to...

[01:25:10] - [Speaker 0]
This classic songs I like less than I could say

[01:25:12] - [Speaker 1]
they're Question time. I just wanted to put you on the spot.

[01:25:16] - [Speaker 0]
You did. I felt the hate. Great question. Do we have time for one last one before we close out?

[01:25:23] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah, I don't want to end on overrated beatings because there's no

[01:25:26] - [Speaker 0]
such thing really either. Well I've got one last question for you. It's probably a little bit a hybrid sort of piece of pre peppers, post peppers, but I want to talk about George Harrison. Taxman, obviously we talked about, Perkins Revolver, and he's contributing more by Rubber Soul Era. Is he a legitimate third songwriter by 1966, or is he just a talented kid being allowed a track or two?

[01:25:59] - [Speaker 0]
What is his best pre Peppers song? And then I will allow you to compare that to Post Peppers and pick your Post Peppers George song. Thank

[01:26:14] - [Speaker 1]
you for the question.

[01:26:15] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, yeah. Sorry. That was to the minister for, sticking with the gimmick.

[01:26:19] - [Speaker 1]
Sticking with the gimmick. Yeah. I would say, that up to '66, I don't think we knew or the world knew what George Harrison would become in those last four years. Yep. I do think that his contribution was largely massively overshadowed by the Lennon and McCartney machine.

[01:26:43] - [Speaker 1]
Yep. You know, some somewhat by design as well. I don't think there was a lot of space. That was so prolific. Right?

[01:26:50] - [Speaker 1]
And and look. I've got a... Can I can I just say because it's been in jest, really? I do like taxman. And I probably think to that point, that's probably his best track.

[01:27:01] - [Speaker 1]
It's probably his most complete track. And, you know, for it to get such... Well, it's in your top 12. Right? I think I would struggle to to say that that wasn't peak George up to 66.

[01:27:17] - [Speaker 1]
But from there, my God, you know, you're looking at three or four post pepper tracks that are right up there, and they may feature, some of them might feature right our post Peppers chat. I struggle to probably go past Here Comes the Sun. Beautiful. It's a beautiful track. But, you know, there's others there's others something, of course, while my guitar gently weeps.

[01:27:49] - [Speaker 1]
The biggies. But Here Comes Son, I think. Beautiful. Again, I'm sure you can play it well. Lovely little little riff on the guitar, isn't it?

[01:28:00] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. So I'd go that one. Okay.

[01:28:01] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. I think for me, I totally agree. I think, you know, there's there's some songs on... I think by revolver, there's there's obviously more. There's body.

[01:28:13] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. If I needed someone on Rubber Soul is still kind of... It's... To be honest, it almost made my 12. Yeah.

[01:28:20] - [Speaker 0]
But I think that's right. I think, you know, you could see that he was bringing together really, really good ones. And by the time it got to Abbey Road, it's amazing. And then post Beatles though, interesting. And we'll get to that.

[01:28:37] - [Speaker 0]
So in post, post peppers episode, Beatles part two, we'll be covering off obviously the post peppers era. And we'll also have some fun with, Beatles solo albums and follow ons from that.

[01:28:49] - [Speaker 1]
Wings, traveling Wilburys.

[01:28:51] - [Speaker 0]
Oh, yeah. All of that. So we've got lots more to cover, listeners and Beatles part two, but we've done a blowout episode for this one because the Beatles deserve it. We won't do this every episode. Yeah.

[01:29:02] - [Speaker 0]
But, yeah, I think covering the Beatles is is is a joy. There's so much depth to it, and there's just so much music. And to be honest, I had a lot of fun Yeah. Pulling together my playlist for this one and listening to all the other, you know, things. And, listeners, just so you know, during takes, I did listen to Yes It Is and Can Confirm, absolute banger.

[01:29:28] - [Speaker 0]
So you're spot on. I can't believe I've never heard that song and I guess that's what I love most about the Beatles is the capacity to continuously discover more

[01:29:39] - [Speaker 1]
time and time again, can't you?

[01:29:41] - [Speaker 0]
I think I'm going to go to the record shop and buy that now, that rubber sole special edition and get into it. I'm tempted as well. That's it. We'll go do it together. Okay.

[01:29:52] - [Speaker 0]
Well, before we close out this mammoth episode, we've got homework tasks to give each other. What's my homework for next episode?

[01:30:01] - [Speaker 1]
So I'm gonna give you a album by Teenage Fan Club.

[01:30:05] - [Speaker 0]
Mhmm.

[01:30:05] - [Speaker 1]
Great Scottish band. Still going today. And I really thought long and hard about which album to give you. Bandwagon esque is their second album. Most consider it sort of their proper debut.

[01:30:18] - [Speaker 1]
Most famously, actually, Spin Music Magazine in their critics end of year listed '91 went Bandwagonesque one, Nevermind Nirvana two. Yeah. So it's a revered record Bandwagon esque.

[01:30:35] - [Speaker 0]
Okay.

[01:30:35] - [Speaker 1]
But I'm gonna give you their fourth album to listen to, Grand Prix. I'm just pointing out a little poster I've got down here at PodcastHQ

[01:30:47] - [Speaker 0]
Mhmm.

[01:30:48] - [Speaker 1]
Which is a Grand Prix teenage fan club poster. This is where... This is sweet spot teenage fan club. It's bringing in a bit of bit of guitar y stuff, but getting into a more sort of pastoral space. But Can I just check?

[01:31:05] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Is there fiddles? There's no fiddles.

[01:31:09] - [Speaker 1]
There's no fiddling.

[01:31:10] - [Speaker 0]
Good.

[01:31:10] - [Speaker 1]
No no fiddles were fiddled in the making of Grand Prix.

[01:31:13] - [Speaker 0]
Oh my god. Okay. Good. I'm glad for that.

[01:31:17] - [Speaker 1]
Actually, there's there's there's orchestration.

[01:31:22] - [Speaker 0]
I will I will experience it in in in the in the

[01:31:25] - [Speaker 1]
way. There's no fiddling.

[01:31:26] - [Speaker 0]
No fiddles.

[01:31:26] - [Speaker 1]
There's no hoedowns.

[01:31:28] - [Speaker 0]
Okay. Well, that's that's important. That's important. Alright. Your Homework is an album very special to me.

[01:31:34] - [Speaker 0]
It is Supertramp's Crisis What Crisis? Supertramp. This is a very overlooked album in Supertramp. Many people, who would know Supertramp will know the big ones like, you know, Breakfast in America and and, you know, like a lot of the... Maybe even like Crime of the Century or things like that.

[01:31:57] - [Speaker 0]
This was at a point in time where Supertramp were about to break apart. And it's got a lot of depth to it. It's musically, I think one of their best. I don't think, I mean, of all the underrated albums that there are in the world, I think this might be in the top of that list. Not to kind of build it up at all, keep expectations low.

[01:32:33] - [Speaker 0]
But it's one of my favorite. It's definitely on my Mount Rushmore of albums. That's how much I love it. I'm interested really to get your homework research task and your take on it. And see, I don't expect you to love it, but I'm interested to see what you think about it.

[01:32:52] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. I'm in.

[01:32:53] - [Speaker 0]
Awesome. Okay. Well, if you're still listening, thank you. We always appreciate you the most. Otherwise we're just doing this for ourselves, which we certainly are.

[01:33:06] - [Speaker 0]
And otherwise, we will see you next episode. So thank you, Matthew. Thank you, Ash. All right. And thank you, listeners.

[01:33:14] - [Speaker 0]
Bye. See you.